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Offline Lowrider70

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Pumps And Dumps
« on: July 04, 2008, 09:24:54 AM »
Hi folks, as Im not an expert on hydros, Im looking for a little guidance here from all you more hardened and experienced people on this subject!  My question:  The speed of 'raising' the car is fine, but I'd like to slow it down a little when 'slamming'.  Im guessing I need to turn those flat, round dials which sit on those cube shaped mounts (on the side of the dump valves)...  to reduce the rate at which the fluid returns to the tanks.  Is this correct?  If so, turning clockwise or anti-clockwise?  And also, are accumilators adjustable?  Or are they just made to a set standard?  Your advice will be much appreciated!  :)
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Re: Pumps And Dumps
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 11:11:17 AM »
flat round thingd = "slow downs"

you are right about thier use. Screw them right in [clockwise i think  :oops: ] to stop the car dropping [if its anti you wont harm anything].

note: if you hop at all closing them will cause back pressure  when the car weight compresses the coils, this can help hopping BUT if you have the round type [brass] they wont handle the pressure and will pop!

accumulators are adjustable. if my memory is right your car was done in USA, in which case you may have a type that you will find hard to get recharged here [but I do happen to have a valve to suit!]. The US ones tend to have a valve [sits on top of the acc with a cap on it] that looks pretty much like a bicycle tyre valve] UK ones have a plastic cap on the top 25mm dia [ish] anad under that is the port for filling.

the principal is that you get too much pressure put in themn let it out to balance the weight of the car [corner].
if you have UK ones 'phone around industrial Hydraulic outlets say "i want my bladder accunulators recharging to 40 bar please"

they will answer " [intake of breath as a builder would when you show him the problem] " you'll need a new one mate the bladder must be gone" [this way they can sell you a new one!!]

you answer "no, its OK just that i have let too much pressure out of it so it needs topping up"

if its the US type let me know though tbh I thnik i have the only valve in UK so you'd have to but it and have acess to a nitrogen bottle long term so you may be better swapping them for K type].

To adjust them.
lift the car to above normal driving height.
drop to to normal driving height.
crack the bleed screw [allen key in UK type, just press the centre if the valve n US type] CAREFULLY.
allow enough gas out  so that the corner [or end] in question drops by 20mm.
repeat for all corners [ends].

That should have balanced the weight of the car with the gas pressure in the acc.
if its still a bit stiff [the ride] you cana risk doing it once more dropping by 10mm but any more and you'll be too low on pressure again.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2008, 12:02:09 PM »
Thanks for the indepth advice bud!  No, I have never 'hopped' my car before and I certainly have no intention to either.  The car is up for sale now anyway, but while I still own it and on the occasions I do take it out, I just wanted to make some minor adjustments for improvement.  Like, to slow down the rate of 'slamming' and also, to adjust or re-pressure the accumilators, in order to stiffen up the ride a little.
The 'slow down' dials (which are on those cube shaped mounts), are not made of brass...  steel I think.  As for the accumilators, if Im understanding you correctly, the US type accumilators have bicycle style valves with plastic caps and, the UK ones have filling ports with larger caps??  Im not sure what ones Ive got actually, so I will have to take a closer look and then let you know later!

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Re: Pumps And Dumps
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 01:12:38 PM »
have you got coils and acc or just accs ?

if you got coils with no shocks [farily normal US job] the acc pressure will make no difference. if it is wollowy you need shocks to control the spirngs THEN accs will soften the ride IF the coils are stiff.
if you have no coils then accs will adjust th stiffness [more pressure = stiffer]
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Re: Pumps And Dumps
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 01:54:53 PM »
Ive got both springs and accumilators, but no shocks.  Yes, the ride does feel a little 'spongey', but I guess thats what naturally happens when you install hydro rams in place of shock absorbers.  Maybe I need to buy a pair of new shocks, with a relocation kit to enable me to fit them.  Or maybe in the first instance, just buy some 3 ton heavy duty springs and see how the car behaves with those on?  :|

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Re: Pumps And Dumps
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 02:45:25 PM »
americans seeem to think accs alongside coils will act like shocks.......... they just dont undertand how they work  :(

they can have some function of a shock without coils [and as we know here can give an excellent ride on their own when "tuned" right] but with a coil they can only take the harshness out of a ride with hard coils, they cant damp the movment of a coil
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Re: Pumps And Dumps
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2008, 10:12:57 AM »
Sure, accumilators do provide some damping, but very limited.  They certainly cant take the place of shocks, as they are there purely as an additional aid.  But my ride needs stiffening up a little, so I think I will try some heavy duty springs to start with.  See how that goes, but if I feel the car needs even more ridgidness, then maybe buy some shocks with re-locator brackets to fit them on.  What do you think of that idea?  :?